An Interview with Andy Curran & Maiah Wynne of Envy of None

Header image courtesy of Envy of None Facebook (official)

Image courtesy of Envy of None Facebook (official)

Fans longing for new music from legendary Canadian progressive rocker Alex Lifeson of Rush will have to wait no longer, as the guitar virtuoso’s newest group, Envy of None, has delivered some of the most inventive and surprisingly vital work of the sixty-eight-year old’s career.

Envy of None, their debut album, was released on April 8th.

Listeners will be delighted to a cohesive blend of alternative and indie, with hints of industrial sprinkled across the soundscape. Along with Lifeson, the cast of players includes bassist Andy Curran (of Coney Hatch), actress-turned singer/songwriter, Maiah Wynne, and guitarist Alfio Annibalini.

When asked about the project, Lifeson quipped that Envy of None “had no rules,” an approach that seems to be an ongoing and most successful methodology for the veteran axe-slinger. To see that the old dog can in fact be taught some new tricks is nothing short of delightful.

I recently say down with Andy Curran and Maiah Wynne about the uber-surprising Envy of None project.

Andrew
Thank you both for taking the time. Let’s dig right in. Tell us about Envy of None.

Maiah:
I first started working on some songs with Andy around five years ago. The project started out slowly, with zero pressure. It was just for the fun of making some cool music together. Even when Alex [Lifeson] got on board, there was never any pressure to do anything differently or try to make any sort of big hit song. It wasn’t until four years and ten songs later that we decided [to] officially release it.

The music is diverse, and I love that about the project. There [are] heavier songs like “Dogs Life,” and “Enemy,” [and softer and sweeter songs like “Old Strings” and “Western Sunset.” Any song idea was on the table, and we just enjoyed the process of creating together.

Andy:
Envy of None was really four like-minded musicians adding their ideas to seeds of songs that just seemed to ooze out of all of us. It had been in the works with no real master plan, and no label or management driving us. It wasn’t until Alex Lifeson asked me one day, “Andy, what are we going to do with all these songs?” that we felt we should share it with some music industry people. “Liar” was requested for the Netflix series Tiny Pretty Things, and then, when the team at K-Scope/Snapper Music heard the music, this caught fire, and we then had a mission to finish, record, and release [the album].

Andrew:
How did the cast of players we see in Envy of None initially meet?

Maiah:
I met Andy through a song contest I won five years ago. One of my prizes was a mentorship with Andy through Zoom. We got to talking about an industrial-sounding song of mine that he really liked. Andy had been working on some similar music, and I offered to add vocals to them – not having any clue about who Andy was at that point. Alf [Annibalini] was already Andy’s creative partner. About two songs into working together, Andy called me out of the blue and said, “Alex [Lifeson] really likes the songs, and wants to add some guitars.” I flew to Toronto and met everyone. That was a really exciting day.

Andy:
Alex Lifeson and I have known each other for years, and at one time were label mates on Anthem Records (Rush’s label). I [had] an A&R job at Anthem and had worked together with Rush for over a decade. Alf and I met when I was recording an album with the band Leisureworld, and we instantly hit it off. I met Maiah when she [did the] online radio competition. I played Alex a song called “Shadow” that we co-wrote. He added some guitars and loved Maiah’s voice and the vibe, and bingo – we had a lineup!

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Andrew:
What first got both of you hooked on music?

Maiah:
One of my earliest memories is playing the piano at three years old and figuring out notes that sounded good together. I vividly remember the rush of excitement that gave me. I loved piano lessons. I took choir and band in school and always loved singing harmonies. At thirteen, I started teaching myself guitar and drums, and that’s when I really got the bug for learning new instruments. I still get that same rush now, branching out into synth and MIDI instruments and music production.

Andy:
I grew up in a household where music was all around. My grandpa, Joe Curran, was a professional musician and played in the BBC Symphony Orchestra. My dad played piano and guitar, and my sisters and older brother Mike introduced me to so many cool bands. But it wasn’t until I saw the Edgar Winter Group perform at Maple Leaf Gardens that I was really hooked. That was a defining moment where I remember thinking, that’s what I wanna do. Oh, and the opening act was Bad Company…my mind was officially blown.

Andrew:
What themes are you exploring with your new music? How have your respective backgrounds brought you to this point in your musical journies?

Maiah:
A big part of music for me is working through whatever I’m going through. I tried to bring a lot of personal perspective to the lyrics for Envy of None. Most of the songs were co-written, where Andy would have a few specific words, and I’d build the rest of the song around them. In retrospect, we probably used the word “darkness” a few too many times! A lot of the songs are pretty dark. It might make a fun drinking game while you listen to the record. [Laughs].

Andy:
I felt it was time to move outside my [musical] comfort zone. [My previous band] Coney Hatch was full-on hard rock, and with [the band] Soho, I started leaning a little more alternative. By the time Caramel and Leisureworld were written, I’d gone into a much darker alt-rock vibe [but with] some melodic hooks. During those years, I started writing a lot more “chilled” stuff, playing more keyboards, Moog bass lines, fretless bass, and guitars. I was listening to a lot of ambient, dub [artists]. It certainly influenced my writing, and that’s where a lot of the Envy of None material started.

Lyrically, I’ve never changed my approach. There are so many things that happen to me daily, so there’s no shortage of lyrical ideas that sit right under my nose.

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Andrew:
What led you to the decision to self-produce this record?

Maiah:
Yes, the four of us co-produced the record. Everyone was sort of in charge of recording and producing their own [songs], with some crossover at the end of the process. On many tracks, Aliephant, a producer I work with, co-produced the vocals, adding some cool effects layers. Alex Lifeson mixed a few of the songs and Alf mixed the rest.

Andy:
Everyone had the freedom to do what they felt was needed to develop the song. The only time we went outside our bubble was to play a few songs for our friend [Canadian record producer] David Bottrill to get some feedback. He said, “you guys are doing great, the material and sonics are really good,” offered a few tips, and sent us on our way. It was a nice confidence booster.

Andrew:
What went into the decision to release “Liar” as the first single?

Maiah:
We let the label decide the singles. I think we all agreed that “Liar” was a great first track, and it was an easy choice.

Andy:
I was on board just for the fuzz bass alone. [Laughs].

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Andrew:
Who are some of your early influences?

Maiah:
My dad. He played piano and I would watch his hands. My grandpa plays banjo and mandolin. I listened to a lot of No Doubt, Radiohead, Norah Jones, Aimee Mann, Duran Duran, Queen, and the Pixies with my parents. Around thirteen, I was learning the drums and listened to ACϟDC, Led Zeppelin, Rush, and pretty much anything that I discovered while playing Guitar Hero. I then went through an indie phase and listened to artists like Daughter, Iron and Wine, Florence and The Machine, Ben Harper, and Feist.

Andy:
Like I said, Edgar Winter was a big one for me, [also] bands like Aerosmith, UFO, Cheap Trick…and Rush! When I started learning bass, that’s when Yes, Genesis, Return to Forever, Weather Report, and Jeff Beck were on my turntable 24/7.

Andrew:
What are a few of your favorite albums, and why?

Maiah:
Some of my favorite albums are Amy Winehouse’s Back To Black, Fleetwood Mac’s Rumours, Fiona Apple’s Tidal, and Radiohead’s OK Computer. They feel really cohesive from beginning to end.

Andy:
Some of my new favorite records are from Tame Impala, Bones UK, and a Toronto artist called Jaguar Sun. They’re not new, but I love Middle-Class Rut. This is a darn good playlist if I do say so myself. [Laughs].

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Andrew:
What other passions do both of you have? How do those passions inform your music, if at all?

Maiah:
I love acting. I hope I can pursue a career in acting as well as music. There is a lot of crossover between the two worlds, especially when putting on a concert. In order to give a good musical performance, you have to be a good entertainer, and that includes channeling emotion and having a good rapport with the audience. I also enjoy writing poetry and that informs my lyrics at times.

Andy:
Those who know me well will tell you hockey is a big passion. I was skating three times a week all year until COVID hit and rinks were shut down. I’m a die-hard Chicago Blackhawks fan. Also, my family means the world to me, and that includes my four-legged canine friends. Those personal connections certainly find their way into my lyrics. Hockey not so much. [Laughs].

Andrew:
Last one. In both of your opinions, what is the state of the music business these days? Should artists be hopeful? Scared? Both?

Maiah:
I think the state of the music industry today is a double-edged sword. There are benefits to everything being so accessible, like any artist being able to share their music with the world, and anyone being able to listen to them across the globe. However, digital music platforms have devalued music to the point where artists can’t make money easily anymore. An already challenging career path has become ten times harder. On top of that, COVID and the inability to tour safely and easily have created a huge deficit for artists trying to survive.

I don’t see us resolving these issues anytime soon. Unless someone can create a digital streaming platform as convenient and cheaper than Spotify that treats artists more fairly, I don’t think the average person is going to take the time to change the way they listen to music. I would like to believe there will be a better solution in the future, but it is going to take work and a conscious effort from a large number of people.

Andy:
I really feel hopeful. There are so many great opportunities for young artists to get their music out there. The internet has leveled the playing field in terms of [having] a destination to share music. You have an uphill battle to get your music heard and poke your head above the pack, but if I compare [the situation] to when I started, unless you had a label behind you there was no way your music was going to get out to a global marketplace. The live scene has shrunk for sure, but as my friend, [Canadian music executive] Ray Danniels will say, “nothing can get in the way of a great song.” Persistence and patience are the names of the game.

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With an immense passion for music, a disposition for writing, and an eagerness to teach and share both, Andrew decided to found VWMusic in 2019 as a freelance column under the column Idle Chatter. Over time, the column grew into a website that now features contributors who further the cause of sharing both a love of music and the art of journalism with the world through articles and interviews. While Andrew enjoys running the website, his real passion lies in teaching and facilitating others to do what they do best, and giving them the opportunity to explore their passions in the process. Some of Andrew’s favorite artists include KISS, Oasis, ACϟDC, Elvis Presley, Ace Frehley, The Rolling Stones, Rush, The Pretenders, Led Zeppelin, The Gaslight Anthem, Iron Maiden, John Lennon, The Melvins, Noel Gallagher, Regina Spektor, Rory Gallagher, The Stone Roses, The Strokes, Thin Lizzy, Elvis Costello, Van Halen, Neil Young, Blur, Billy Joel, Bruce Springsteen, and many more.
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